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September 14, 2007

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Alexander

Amen! There's too much good stuff here. Great job nailing the deification of the markets, one of the weirdest things is the amorality with which the majority of Christians of the last thirty years have laid the gospel of Milton and Thomas over the Synoptic record.

I always like how "render unto Caesar" gets trotted out to support the president's war, but forgotten when it's time to support the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

Jared Wright

I like your characterization of the Christian life in terms of peculiarity, alternative-ness, and resistance. Reading this post got my imagination in all sorts of directions. Thank you for sharing these insights - I'll be looking forward to what you have to say about baptism!

Marty

Hey Ryan,

You wrote that the "central task of the church is witness".

How is the witnessing going on where you are and is there one method of witness that is working with your members? Practical thoughts on witness in other words.

Ryan Bell

The "witnessing" is going very well here in Hollywood! We are finding the experience of learning to witness to God's reign to be an absolute adventure.

There is definitely not "one method of witness that is working with my members." I don't think the key is to find the thing that is 'working.' I think the key is to ask good questions, in community, about what God is already doing in your community and what God would like to do. I would say if there is one bit of advice I would give it is this: Listen deeply! Listen to scripture (see specially, Luke 10:1-12 - we're going on 2 years with this one text). Listen to your community (throw away the demographics and listen to real people in your community). Listen to each other in the congregation. Listen deeply and see what God does.

Our experience at witness has taken shape as speaking out for affordable housing, including housing the homeless, heath care access, community beautification, other and social justice issues. But we are just learning. the first step for any community is to admit they have no idea what to do. Then the way is open for God's Spirit to lead.

Chris Blake

Now you're gettin' to meddlin', and I love it. Particularly alluring and challenging is your emphasis on resistance. Therein appears a metric ton of countercultural, prophetic, fair-trade justice.

Recently someone commented after reading my book that I was "the Jim Wallis of the Adventist Church." While appreciative, I responded that I live approximately in the middle of North America. The Adventist Jim Wallis of the East Coast is Doug Morgan, and the Adventist Jim Wallis of the West Coast is Ryan Bell.

Thank you, brother, for all you are and do.

Elaine

Should the church continue to focus on its separateness: Different worship day, different diet, exclusionary practices? Didn't Paul continually preach that all barriers had been removed in Christ? Have we undone his message by reinstituting the separateness? That was the bane of the Jews, wasn't it? Have we returned to Judaism in the worship day, the dietary and similar restrictions? Have we even begun to demonstrate that we are ALL CHRISTIANS in Christ? Or do we continue to promote the uniqueness and remnant theology? The simple check: we declare our separateness from all other Christians in our name, which is the sole reason for existence.

Ryan Bell

Clearly we do not need to be separate and different for the sake of being different. I'm not advocating sectarian divisions. This is what I would can being "weird" in order to be set apart from the world. What I am talking about it witnessing to the reign of God by saying NO to the things that are opposed to Christ and His kingdom.

While there is no virtue in being weird for the sake of being weird, there is clearly no value in having absolutely nothing to say to our culture. We are, to borrow an expression" resident aliens. The tension between, "This world is not my home, I'm just a-passin' through..." and "This is my Father's world..." is a tension worth maintaining, I think.

kirsten

it seems that are pendulum is beginning to swing to a more balanced place in this "perculiar people thing." as a young person, that spoke to me of the weirdness you referred to, Ryan. as a result, we worked on relevance, which is important, but it was easy to go to the extreme and become more focused on attraction. now we are headed to a healthier place. on which recognizes the value of speaking to a culture in its language (Jesus parables, relevance) but also pushing us to think of a deeper commitment and loyalty to a God who is in charge of this world we live in, this society that tells us it's all about us. i like where we are headed.

kirsten

going back to Marty's question about how witnessing @ Hollywood is going, i stand next to Ryan in that there is no one way. our missional action teams have been such a blessing in that we are asking more questions than arriving @ answers. and finding a bigger capacity and need to depend on God, REALLY depend on him. he asks us to go places for Him, but he doesn't always ask us to go to the SAME places. we are all gifted differently. so we are also having to learn a greater patience and sense of trust in our fellow "witnessers." i can go somewhere that would throw someone else's christian experience off TOTALLY. i have to be ok with that, and they have to be ok with where i am. this is where we really have to practice what it means not to judge. and we are intenselly learning what it means to witness. witnessing is NOT a program, not a golden egg that we are searching for, but rather a way of life, a walking on a path led by God. only sometimes we don't always see him ahead of us. so we have to listen for his voice, use all our senses to become immersed in God's leadership. our ears are being developed. it's helping our well-developed christian tongues to slow down our wagging. and we're becoming vulnerable, REALLY vulnerable.

Wayne Jones

Pastor Bell, I heard about you and the Hollywood church from an retired MD friend of mine in Ohio. He told me about your blog. When I clicked on it and the church i was pleased to discover you are into present social concerns and setting them in and into SDA theology and mission, bravo and amen.
If you wrote half of the info I read on the church screen you are truly a "missionary message writer"
I would like to meet you...perhaps I will come to your church. Cheers and Blessings Wayne Jones


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