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June 25, 2007

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Siroj Sorajjakool

These findings are amazing and I do seriously hope that leadership at the highest level will take them seriously. Whenever I hear about the millions that the church invested in public evangelism, I feel somewhat disappointed because the same amount could have offered much relief to so many people. Ryan, you church is doing so a wonderful work and you represent us well. Thank you.

Johnny A. Ramirez

Cool!

I stayed home to wait for the postman to deliver my passport. It arrived and I was glad but I missed Monte and that was sad.

My summer schedule is so unbelievably tight, and it keeps tightening, that while I'm sad I wasn't there in person, I'm glad to be able to read your reports via the web.

I am proud to have been a member of such a wonderful exciting congregation- blessings!

Sherman Haywood Cox II

I would be interested to find out information on the "seeker-sensitive" efforts and how they play out as far as church growth. Did Pastor Sahlin talk about that?

This is interesting that Social Justice and community involvement is a means to church growth.

Sherman Haywood Cox II

By the way...did you guys record it? Is it going on a podcast?

Ryan Bell

Unfortunately there was a mistake with the recording device and the sermon was not recorded. We didn't attempt to record the seminar because there was just too much conversation to capture it all. However, everything he shared here and a lot more will be addressed in his forthcoming book, Ministry in Metropolis.

We need a lot more of this kind of research on the West Coast. I'm hopeful that the Center for Creative Ministry might be hired to do that kind of work here in the Pacific Union, for example.

Nathan Brown

Perhaps not surprisingly, the significance of community involvement for church growth is not a new suggestion.
In the book he edited to mark the centenary of Seventh-day Adventists in New Zealand, sociologist Peter H Ballis comments upon the significance of involvement in real social and political issues in the founding and early dramatic growth of the church in New Zealand. He notes how “Adventists found themselves joining committees, speaking before audiences that under different circumstances would have been inaccessible to them, and, at times, co-operating with clergy of other denominations. All this has the effect of creating a favourable image of the Church. . . . Such interaction with the public served to acquaint Adventists with large numbers in the community” (“Seventh-day Adventists and New Zealand Politics, 1886-1918”).
Ballis cites membership figures that show a doubling in church membership in New Zealand during this period (1911-21). “It is tempting to conclude that it was the Church’s involvement in New Zealand’s social issues that brought about this unprecedented growth rate,” he concludes.

MHB

After reading this information, I summarized it for my Sabbath School class this morning. I then posed the question: Does what works in the big metropolis chuch in Hollywood, California also work in our smaller more rural New England community? Our church company is new--we've gone from a membership of 6 to a membership of 12 recently and a weekly attendance of more than that. Those in attendance today all felt that community involvement coupled with an emphasis of spirituality is what we are and should be doing. We certainly can't do it all on the same scale as the city churches but it is helpful and affirming to learn about research in this area...Thanks!

Ryan Bell

I'm glad you could share the info with your Sabbath School. If you want to go deeper, I would suggest Adventist Congregations Today, by Monte Sahlin, as well as his forthcoming book, Ministry to Metropolis, both available from the Center for Creative Ministry (www.creativeministry.org).

Harold Cunningham

Great post, Ryan.... and kudos to Monte.
Before the facts of statistical reseach were known, our gut instincts told many of us that evangelism which equates to mere desimination of information is not transformational ....or magnetic. Google + 2 clicks and anyone, anywhere, 24/7, has more info available about Christianity, Adventism, etc. than they could digest in a lifetime. Our gut instincts also told us that the derth of REAL COMMUNITY on our journey is starving us. There is no wholistic spirituality apart from REAL (vs virtual or pseudo)COMMUNITY with both God and fellow sojourners. Quantitative growth will follow the qualitative growth provided by authentic,loving, loyal COMMUNITY. People are willing to expend all their resources (including time and energy) in order to protect and provide for their tribe, their clan, their platoon, and .....their community per fellowship in the Body.

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