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June 26, 2007

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Pernell

Ryan - Good observations. A few things:

1) I agree with you about corporate worship. 100%... I just don't think one or two paid people should spend the better part of a week planning them and allow it to be the main focus of the churches life and its main identity.

2) Religious consumers needn't be a reality. We can help change that.

3) The contrasting age/background of our two communities is likely less significant than simply the difference between American and Canadian culture.

Great thoughts. Thanks for digging in.

Peace.

Ryan Bell

And thank you for stopping by. I appreciate your thoughts and I join you in working to change the consumerism that so characterizes our culture, both Canadian and US American. Peace, brother!

michael bells

I came here via Pernell's blog... I think I might spend some time exploring what you have written... looks interesting.

I think your comments re worship & religious consumerism are linked. We have created an environment of expectation that worship is something done for us. Rarely, & I honestly mean that, have I been in a larger public church gathering where people really worship. We may have sung, some many have prayed, others may have done some religious things... but we don't worship together.

As I commented on Pernell's blog, I'm not sure that transformation can take place apart from a people being desperate to do things differently.

Ryan Bell

Hey Michael, thanks for stopping by. I appreciate your comments and I agree. People have to feel a need to change in order to change. I have watched people from really successful evangelical churches who are listening to someone like Alan Roxburgh and saying to themselves, "Why would I want to do that? Everything is going so well!" One other possiblity besides desperation might be captivation; people become so captivated by a new/old vision of being church. In our case, we are desperate, but I'm also trying to captivate people with a vision of God's kingdom and life in that kingdom.

What I am attempting to deal with in my post above is the reality of a situation in a long established church in (arguably) the entertainment capital of the world. Reality: we have a lot of religious consumers who are, frankly, not interested in connecting the dots of their life so that they live an integrated life of worship, work, play, relationships, service, community life, etc. They want their shot of God on Saturday morning (in our case). The question then becomes, "how do we take these beautiful people, created as ikons of God, and help them start to make the move to missional life." That is not easy. It's not enough to simply say, people shouldn't be religious consumers. I agree, but when we go to work in the morning, we all have the hard task of actioning that belief and "being the change we want to see" to borrow a phrase. I'm hoping to share a story of how this is starting to happen in a future post.

I think that one of the ways we start making that shift is exactly what Pernell is saying in his post: we start evaluating things differently. We redefine what we're doing and then measure it by different metrics.

Kirsten

ryan - i really appreciate your writing and will continue to read your blogs more frequently. i smiled when you talked about our situation being desparate. i'd add to that that we are in a position that much of church literature doesn't support. creating a "new" community in an "existing" one just "isn't done" or encourage. you don't find successful examples. i know my statement sounds simplistic, but it's so true that we are really attempting something here in hollywood that has and will continue to test our faith. but i'm excited about behing a part of the ride. and i love the visual created by your statement: "A new imagination about what it means to be church must be diffused through the congregation like yeast." powerful!

Ryan Bell

Kirsten, I agree completely. We really are doing something that isn't tried very often. It's definitely not encouraged in our corner of the religious world. Thanks for being a part of the conversation. I really am doing this primarily for you and other church members who are on this journey with us.

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